Drs. Danielle O’Toole and Meredith Vanstone of McMaster University join us this week to talk about their recent publication Optimizing the Educational Value of Indirect Patient Care.  Indirect patient care activities (IPCAs) have been highlighted as a component of the hidden curriculum in medical education as well as a significant source of physician burnout. We discuss the importance of exposing trainees to the realities of IPCAs, reframing IPCAs as educational opportunities, and incorporating IPCAs into curriculum via Dr. O’Toole’s Five E’s.   Claim free CME for this episode at curbsiders.vcuhealth.org! Website | Instagram | Twitter | Subscribe | Patreon| [email protected] | Free CME! Show Segments Intro, disclaimer, guest bio Guests one-liners Picks of the Week Indirect Patient Care Activities (IPCAs) and Burnout  Acknowledging Educational Value of IPCAs Basics of the study Surprising findings Identity as a learner vs apprentice A curriculum for IPCAs The 5Es Boundaries Take home points Outro Credits Producers/Writers/Hosts/CME: Molly Heublein MD, Era Kryzhanovskaya MD  Infographic & Cover Art: Paige Spata Show notes: Paige Spata, Molly Heublein MD Editing: (audio) Pod Paste (written materials): Charlotte Chaiklin, MD Guests: Danielle O’Toole MD, Meredith Vanstone PhD Full transcript available HERE