In this episode, Johanna and Derek sit down with Karleigh Chardonnay Webb to talk about the transphobic moral panic surrounding Lia Thomas, exclusionary practices and discourses of ‘fairness’ and ‘competition’ in capitalist sport, and how allies and put in the work to make sport an inclusive space for trans folks.   Karleigh Chardonnay Webb has been working as a sports journalist including for ESPN for over 27 years. She currently writes for Outsports and hosts a podcast called The Trans Sporter Room, which we *highly* suggest listeners check out. She is also an athlete of many sports, and a staff operator forTrans Lifeline which is the first and only peer support line run entirely transgender people. Check out Karleigh’s latest piece on the NCAA not immediately adopting USA Swimming’s trans policyand on allyship and solidarity from other athletes, both for Outsports.       For a transcription of this episode, please click here. (Updated semi-regularly Credit @punkademic) Research Assistance for The End of Sport provided by Abigail Bomba. __________________________________________________________________________ If you are interested, you can support the show via our Patreon! As always, please like, share, and rate us on your favorite podcast app, and give follow us on Twitter or Instagram. www.TheEndofSport.com