In the aftermath of the Super Bowl, Nathan and esteemed football scholar Tom Oates have a ranging conjunctural discussion about the state of American football, masculinity, and their place in the broader political economic and cultural landscape of US society. Tom Oates is Associate Professor at the University of Iowa, where he holds a joint appointment with the School of Journalism and Mass Communication. He is the author of the 2017 book Football and Manliness: An Unauthorized Feminist Account of the NFL(University of Illinois Press) and co-editor (with our friend Zack Furness) of The NFL: Critical and Cultural Perspectives.