In this special episode, Nathan first has the chance to talk again to NLRB GC Jennifer Abruzzo, this time about the college athlete organizing developments prompted by her September 2021 memo. Abruzzo talks about Dartmouth men's basketball's recent unionization and the ongoing case at USC before explaining why she finds the term 'student-athlete' so objectionable--even as universities continue to double down on it. Then, Nathan goes for a deeper dive into all these issues with former NLRB chair Mark Gaston Pearce in order to analyze why these cases have played out the way they have, what's really at stake, and where we are likely to go from here. Jennifer Abruzzo is current General Counsel for the National Labor Relations Board. Mark Gaston Pearce is a visiting professor and the executive director of the Workers’ Rights Institute at Georgetown University Law Center. He is a former Board Member and Chairman of the National Labor Relations Board who served by appointment of President Barack Obama for two terms, concluding in August 2018.   The End of Sport Podcast is a proud member of the Harbinger Media Network, your left podcast community. Find us in great company with over 60 other shows at Harbinger Media Network. As always, if you’re enjoying the show, please feel free to subscribe on your favorite podcasting platform and, please, leave us a five-star review as those always help us read a wider audience.