Traditional philanthropy has been asking nonprofits to jump through ridiculous and paternalistic hoops since its inception. But as movements like CCF require institutions to rethink how we do our work, we are not questioning our evaluation and metrics practices! In a world where tech money wants us to quantify our work, what is truly meaningful and how do we change!? Michelle talks with Marcia about Equitable Evaluation Framework and how our practices are so wrong and how to do better.