Welcome to The Pivot Pod, where we'll figure out together what's next for small business. Hosted by Frances Cook, with a new expert on each episode. Today it's how even in "unprecedented times" we can learn from survivors of past crises. We’re hearing a lot about how it’s unprecedented times right now. And while it’s certainly true that a global pandemic, and a virus that keeps us in our homes, is highly unusual, a crisis for the business sector itself isn’t that unusual. There are always lesson to be learned from what’s happened before, who succeeded through that, and how we can use that experience to help today. For the latest Pivot Pod I talked to Laybuy co-founder Gary Rohloff. If you have a question about this podcast, or question you'd like answered in the next one, come and talk to me about it. I'm on Facebook here https://www.facebook.com/FrancesCookJournalist/ Instagram here https://www.instagram.com/francescooknz/ and Twitter here https://twitter.com/FrancesCook