Marissa’s special guest is none other than Joe Cirincione, national security analyst and the only person you ever want to hear the truth about nuclear war from, thanks to his blend of candor and kindliness. If you’ve been concerned about the recent threats by Putin of nuclear attack, this is a must-listen episode. Together, Marissa and Joe self-soothe with baked oatmeal. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices