I had a wonderful time talking with Jordan Hall, who has recently converted to Christianity from a secular worldview. We talk about his conversation, societal engineering, artificial intelligence, and the fundamental distinction between vertical and horizontal qualities. We also talk about the problem of delusion, how to know what’s real, the meaning of faith and memory, using technology safely, and not getting lost in our daily life problems. Don't miss my and Richard Rohlin's new 5-week live course on Dante's Divine Comedy: Purgatorio. Classes started August 27th, but you can still join us. Involved patrons get 10% discount. Apply your unique code at checkout. https://thesymbolicworld.com/courses/dantes-purgatorio  Follow Jordan Hall: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JordanGreenhall/featured Medium: https://medium.com/deep-code X: https://x.com/jgreenhall 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau  🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe  📱 SOCIAL MEDIA   Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld  Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/  My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.