In this episode I welcome Tony Overbay to the show. Tony is a fellow therapist and podcaster, he host the Virtual Couch and Waking up to Narcissism podcasts. In addition he offers his Magnetic Marriage course to couples. We discuss pitfalls couples fall into and Tony talks about his 4 pillars of communication. While discussing his pillars we also break down how self protection and a lack of vulnerability get in the way of our utilization of these pillars. At times we follow the “script” and other times we are just engaged in freestyle as we discuss valuable components for a better relationship! Find Tony at www.tonyoverbay.com to learn more about his marriage course. You can follow me at www.ryanwynder.com also check out my 14 Day Relationship Challenge at www.14daybettermarriagechallenge.com/home or on Instagram @thevegastherapist