Rutger Bregman reckons we're kinder than we think we are.  He's a Dutch journalist and international best-selling author of Humankind: A Hopeful History, a book that lights a fire under the idea that humans are inherently selfish and doomed to self-destruct.  Rutger speaks with Sarah about hope, calling out billionaires for not paying enough tax and what our society could look like if we simply - and wildly - chose to trust each other more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.