Charlie sits down with journalist Joey Watson to chat about the podcast Secrets We Keep: Nest of Traitors. Joey has always been obsessed with spy stories, and three years ago, he was pulled into the ultimate spy mystery. During the Cold War, the Australian spy agency ASIO was infiltrated by a Soviet mole. For decades the mole's identity was buried and the damage they caused unknown. To uncover the truth, Joey sets out to find the mole. It’s a story about power, national secrets and how countries behave when they think no-one is watching.  Joey and Charlie talk about the investigation, why we're still so interested in spy stories, how people are convinced to become moles, and conspiracy vs incompetence. Listen to Nest of Traitors: https://pod.fo/e/21d81c  See TOFOP live in Melbourne on April 7: https://www.trybooking.com/CPJHP  Everyone Relax merch, Patreon, and more: https://linktr.ee/TOFOP  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.