This week we're joined by Milena Pagan - owner of Rebelle Artisan Bagels, purveyors of hand-rolled and boiled bagels in Providence - for a conversation about innovation, starting a business, advocating for yourself, taking in pride in what you produce, and what doesn't belong on a bagel. Topics include leaving the corporate world to start your own business, crafting a customer experience, progress through tinkering, how to position your product, and why a bagel is not a donut. Show Notes Leaving a job you hate to start a business you love How market positioning can turn something from mediocre to a bestseller Why is a bagel not a donut? Connecting with customers through workshops Coordinating ideas with other businesses in Providence How starting Rebelle has changed Milena Links Follow Rebelle Artisan Bagels on Instagram Like them on Facebook Check out their website Give 'em 5 stars on Yelp. And honestly just go eat a dang bagel there. And a pastry. You can thank us later. Check out a "Bitchin': Female Founders in Providence" event Learn what Separating the wheat from the chaff means! Big thanks to NGHTSWM for the use of their song, Fiji, on this show.