Where did all these prisons come from? WBEZ’s Shannon Heffernan is here to give us part of the answer, which involves “small government” (of course), Lennie Briscoe (as always), the pink flowers of Alcatraz, and a prison sweepstakes that produced the actual worst song of the 80s. Two quick corrections via Shannon: "I said Illinois has potential plans to shrink one prison and close another. That was an error. Both plans are about shrinking facilities.  I said CO's have a life expectancy of 56 years, the stat I meant to quote is 59 but since our interview, I discovered that statistic (and the stat about divorce) to be from studies/sources that are considered very weak so I've stopped using them." Here's where to find Shannon: Website Twitter Motive (podcast) Support us: Bonus Episodes on Patreon Donate on Paypal Buy cute merch Where else to find us: Sarah's other show, You Are Good  [YWA co-founder] Mike's other show, Maintenance Phase Links: https://www.wbez.org/staff/288/shannon-heffernan https://twitter.com/shannon_h https://www.wbez.org/shows/motive/8c9f445c-4f62-46d6-a7f6-dc70a835e99b http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/ywapodcast https://www.podpage.com/you-are-good http://maintenancephase.com Support the show