Eat less, move more. We've heard it all before and it sounds simple enough. But losing fat and keeping it off long-term requires sustainable lifestyle changes, not an overnight quick fix. In this episode, Katie speaks with nutritionist Nicolette Casarotto about how to lose fat in a sustainable way. They discuss: If diet or exercise are more important for fat loss How to lose fat if you don't want to count calories The importance of eating enough protein when you're trying to lose fat Why cutting carbs isn't the answer And how you can eat more and lose fat by volume eating Follow Nicolette on Instagram at @naturally_nicolette This is what we think you should be reading, watching & listening to this week: Katie recommends: Listen: 'Wellness: Fact or Fiction' podcast Read: How Not to Die - Gene Stone and Michael Greger Watch: avantgardevegan on YouTube for vegan recipes https://www.youtube.com/c/avantgardevegan/featured   Nicolette recommends: Listen: The Diary of a CEO podcast Read: 101 Essays That Will Change the Way You Think - Brianna Wiest Watch: TED Talks. Nicolette loves this one with James Smith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfNXJt4_MoQ  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.