This week I had the privilege of speaking with Lise Vesterlund about a new book she helped co-author, The No Club: Putting a Stop to Women's Dead-End Work. In this conversation, Lise helps listeners better understand the enormous disparities when it comes to "non-promotable" work tasks that are disproportionally assigned to women in the workplace. We talk about the root causes of this practice while addressing some of the systematic, cultural, and historical business practices that need to be reformed in order to create workplaces with greater equity and shared non-promotable tasks. In addition Lise shares some of the insights she has gleaned after forming a "No Club" with her fellow female faculty at The University of Pittsburg that aims to create a space for women to both share their experiences and promote accountability in saying no to dead-end work. Lise Vesterlund is a behavioral economist whose highly influential work shows how gender differences in competition, confidence, and expectations contribute to the persistent gender gap in advancement. She is one of the authors of the new book: 'The No Club: Putting a Stop to Women's Dead-End Work'. This episode is brought to you by: Canva Pro - Get your FREE 45-day extended trial!