Many cheese shops are loosely defined as restaurants if they serve food and provide seating to dine in. Conversely, some wine bars and restaurants have a cheese-centric menu with an area for retail sales. These hybrid establishments often combine retail sales of cheese with a dining experience, blurring the line between traditional cheese shop and restaurant. Listen in as Joe takes a deeper dive with Vanessa Tilaka Kalb, professional cheese monger, chef, and owner of Agnes Restaurant & Cheesery in Pasadena, CA! Photo courtesy of Hox Creative.