Thomas Floyd, LPC, and Kim Honeycutt, LCAS, are interviewed by Producer/Director (who just happens to be Kim’s wife) Larissa Miller about spiral dynamics, McLaren’s 4 Stages of Church, and how our view of authority can indicate where we are on our growth path. Brian McLaren’s 4 church stages and spiral dynamics give all of us a barometer to see where we are and where our church of choice may be in our quest to be good leaders and inclusive humans. How big our EGO is can be an excellent resource to measure how big or small we make God. Join in as Thomas, Kim, and Larissa explore and expose their own struggles and progress to being an aware human. You can connect with Thomas on Twitter @thomasfloyd23 and on Tik Tok @heyfam22 And you can connect with Kim Honeycutt on IG and FB @kbhoneycutt and Larissa Miller on IG @larissa.miller Resources: Brian D. McLaren: https://brianmclaren.net/ Spiral Dynamics: https://cac.org/daily-meditations/spiral-dynamics-2015-12-11/