Mark and Kate talk to Victor Hazan about having empathy for ingredients, pedagogy vs. mastery in cooking, and what made Marcella Hazan so extraordinary. View this episode's recipe and show notes here: https://www.bittmanproject.com/p/victor-hazan Subscribe to Food with Mark Bittman on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you like to listen, and please help us grow by leaving us a 5 star review on Apple Podcasts. Follow Mark on Twitter at @bittman, and on Facebook and Instagram at @markbittman. Subscribe to Mark's newsletter The Bittman Project at www.bittmanproject.com. Questions or comments about the show? Email [email protected]. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.