Michael Jacobson, one of the pioneers of food activism, talks to Mark about what we can learn about food and change from past decades, the steadfastness of our sodium consumption, why the federal government won't give big support to small farms, and a museum that explores food in all its dimensions.  Subscribe to Food with Mark Bittman on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you like to listen, and please help us grow by leaving us a 5 star review on Apple Podcasts. Follow Mark on Twitter at @bittman, and on Facebook and Instagram at @markbittman. Want more food content? Subscribe to The Bittman Project at www.bittmanproject.com. Questions or comments about the show? Email [email protected]. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.