I lie down with Jillian Richardson, creator of The Joy List & her housemate Dennis E. Sarkozy, Lifestyle Designer. We discuss Dennis’s communal roots, his mother’s matriarchal strength, his biological father who preferred not to be a father, and his kindergarten crushes. Jillian & I grapple with my intentions. We discuss Jillian's public image, the Wounded Healer syndrome, and how she induced her parents to join her for a 5-day family therapy retreat. For parts 3 & 4: patreon.com/horizontalwithlil