As a follow up to last episode, we sit down for a chat with one of Danielle’s oldest friends - Tyler, who has first hand experience with a wilderness therapy program in Utah. He was blindfolded and taken out into the desert, where he became the first to “escape” the program. We love our National Parks and we know you do too but when you're out there, remember to enjoy the view but watch your back. Please take a moment to rate and subscribe from wherever you’re listening to NPAD! Become part of our Outsider family on Patreon  or Apple Subscriptions to gain access to ad-free episodes, bonus content, and more. Follow our socials Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. To share a Trail Tale, suggest a story, access merch, and browse our book recommendations - head over to our website. Thank you so much to our partners, check them out! Embrace Pet Insurance: For more info head to EmbracePetInsurance.com/NPAD Earth Breeze: Use our link got get 40% off when you subscribe. BetterHelp: National Park After Dark is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off.