Dr. Beth (www.drbetherickson.com (http://www.drbetherickson.com)) first spoke with Neil Brick (ritualabuse.us/smart/neil-brick (http://ritualabuse.us/smart/neil-brick)) about his experience from infancy on as a victim of the ritual sex abuse he endured. We also spoke about how being sexually abused impacts the survivor’s intimate relationships in adulthood. Then she spoke with V.J. Smith (www.MinneapolisMadDads.org (http://www.MinneapolisMadDads.org)), the newly inaugurated national President of Mad Dads, a group of 75,000 parents who work to take back their cities. We talked about how to get out of a gang. His strongest recommendation is to get support from adults outside the gang. He offered that if people would like more help, they should contact him through their web site.