In this episode, Han is joined by (The Fantastic) Carla. Carla and Han speak through why structured challenging can be a really important and useful tool to employ in eating disorder recovery. In the chat, Carla discusses how challenging helped her move out of a period of stagnation in her recovery and force changes to her intake. Han and Carla also discuss a few other points, including: 1)How challenging can help with reducing a desire for food perfectionism. 2)How challenging is a win-win situation - If you do like the new food, it provides a food that can be enjoyed going forward forever! -If you don’t like the food, you still win, because it provides nourishment and stops a perpetual curiosity about that food. 3)How comprehensive ‘all day’ challenging is important to avoid compensation. 4)Food experiment can provide genuine evidence of what the true you actually likes and dislikes. There is beauty in these realisations.