In this episode, John talks with Zach Watson to discuss the topic of mental load and domestic labor distribution. They explore the challenges and controversies surrounding this topic, particularly in relation to men's responses. They explore the role of childhood experiences in shaping perspectives, the need for understanding and empathy, the challenges faced by breadwinners, and the concept of the default parent. They also touch upon the influence of a capitalist society on the perception of value, and conclude with a discussion on the role of humor and playfulness in changing the conversation among men and the struggle with ego and humility in personal growth. You can book a call with Zachary HERE or follow him on Instagram HERE